Rake stats defined in a way that makes more sense...

[stakkedoff]

I'm almost embarrassed to ask this, but can I get a bit of clarification in regards to the different rake stat definitions? my best interpretation of the 4 rake stats that i see is that:

-my currency rake attributed:
Total amount taken as rake when the player won the pot... Seems like an odd combination of conditions? I'm not sure the utility of how much was raked in total from a subset of hands in which player won. what about hands he didn't win? I'm sure that there is a pragmatic reason for this stat, it answers some anticipated question from players, but I can't figure it out. What's the utility of this stat?

-my currency rake contributed:
Total money taken as rake, divided proportionally by the amount of money player contributed to the pot... I'll do this in BB since its easier for me to think in those terms, but youi could just as easy convert it to dollars or yen or euro's, but for instance if CO (100bb stack) opens, and I defend BB (100bb stack), and we get it in on the turn, and the final pot is 200.5bb (0.5bb from SB who folds pre) before rake, and they rake 20.05bb (10% rake), than by the formula given it's 20.05bb (amount taken as rake) / 100bb (amount player contributed to the pot) which is 0.205. In my example I deliberately omitted the "proportionally" element, because I can't figure how you quantify that, and it's not clearly defined anywhere as far as I've been able to find. So maybe that missing "proportionally" changes things to make sense. But on its face, I'm confused, 0.205 (bb I'm assuming) would be the result in that given singular hand... I don't see the use? Is this a situation where the stat is generally not useful when applied to a single hand, but when applied to a column in a report then maybe it's... F- it man, I just don't see how this is applied. I might be stupid and its obvious to all reading this, but I'm just not seeing it.

my currency rake share:
share seems straightforward, total rake taken from pot, divided by players dealt a hand. this effectively gives us the average rake cost per player in a given hand right?

my currency rake taken:
also straightforward, this is just the total amount of money that was raked from the pot, whether i was involved/invested in the hand or not. Is that correct?

It seems like these stats all somewhat dance around the only real piece of information that would seem to have broadly sought out utility. How much money (or bb, or game currency, or whatever) am I responsible for in a given hand. This does seem like a difficult number to deduce since there's a bunch of variables. But I mean, you guys are essentially in the business of combining lots of variables into digestable information based on spreadsheet data, so this seems like a stat that should be available? Is it in effect one of the ones I tried to understand from above and I'm just too short bussed to see that? I'd like to be able to look at a summary report in the results tab, grouped by position, and see that from whatever position, my total rake paid is $X and when you add up that value from all the positions at the bottom I could clearly see that my total rake that I paid is $Y. Or do the same thing using the by stake report instead, etc etc...

Also, what's the Intended uses for the 4 rake stats included in laymans terms, because the way the first two stats are defined leaves me thinking that I'm missing something.

[Flag_Hippo]

-my currency rake attributed:
Total amount taken as rake when the player won the pot... Seems like an odd combination of conditions? I'm not sure the utility of how much was raked in total from a subset of hands in which player won. what about hands he didn't win? I'm sure that there is a pragmatic reason for this stat, it answers some anticipated question from players, but I can't figure it out. What's the utility of this stat?

Attributed rake is the difference between your net winnings and what your winnings would have been if the poker site wasn't raking the pots.

-my currency rake contributed:
Total money taken as rake, divided proportionally by the amount of money player contributed to the pot... I'll do this in BB since its easier for me to think in those terms, but youi could just as easy convert it to dollars or yen or euro's, but for instance if CO (100bb stack) opens, and I defend BB (100bb stack), and we get it in on the turn, and the final pot is 200.5bb (0.5bb from SB who folds pre) before rake, and they rake 20.05bb (10% rake), than by the formula given it's 20.05bb (amount taken as rake) / 100bb (amount player contributed to the pot) which is 0.205. In my example I deliberately omitted the "proportionally" element, because I can't figure how you quantify that, and it's not clearly defined anywhere as far as I've been able to find. So maybe that missing "proportionally" changes things to make sense. But on its face, I'm confused, 0.205 (bb I'm assuming) would be the result in that given singular hand... I don't see the use? Is this a situation where the stat is generally not useful when applied to a single hand, but when applied to a column in a report then maybe it's... F- it man, I just don't see how this is applied. I might be stupid and its obvious to all reading this, but I'm just not seeing it.

Calculating the 20.05 bb proportionally would be:

Pot 200.5bb.
CO pot contribution (100bb/200.5bb) * 100% = 49.87531172069825%
BB pot contribution (100bb/200.5bb) * 100% = 49.87531172069825%
SB pot contribution (0.5bb/200.5bb) * 100% = 0.2493765586034913%

CO rake contribution 20.05 x 49.87531172069825% = 10bb
BB rake contribution 20.05 x 49.87531172069825% = 10bb
SB rake contribution 20.05 x 0.2493765586034913% = 0.05bb

For rakeback or other poker site loyalty programs contributed rake is usually the basis of those calculations. So in this example if you in the BB had a 20% rakeback deal then you would get 2bb in rakeback for this hand.

my currency rake share:
share seems straightforward, total rake taken from pot, divided by players dealt a hand. this effectively gives us the average rake cost per player in a given hand right?

Correct although it's not really relevant anymore. Most poker sites now use a contributed rake method to apportion rake to each player. In the past many sites used this method to calculate rakeback/bonuses but it was penalising looser players since tighter players would be getting the same rake apportioned to them even if they weren't contributing to many pots.

my currency rake taken:
also straightforward, this is just the total amount of money that was raked from the pot, whether i was involved/invested in the hand or not. Is that correct?

Correct.

It seems like these stats all somewhat dance around the only real piece of information that would seem to have broadly sought out utility. How much money (or bb, or game currency, or whatever) am I responsible for in a given hand. This does seem like a difficult number to deduce since there's a bunch of variables. But I mean, you guys are essentially in the business of combining lots of variables into digestable information based on spreadsheet data, so this seems like a stat that should be available? Is it in effect one of the ones I tried to understand from above and I'm just too short bussed to see that? I'd like to be able to look at a summary report in the results tab, grouped by position, and see that from whatever position, my total rake paid is $X and when you add up that value from all the positions at the bottom I could clearly see that my total rake that I paid is $Y. Or do the same thing using the by stake report instead, etc etc...

Also, what's the Intended uses for the 4 rake stats included in laymans terms, because the way the first two stats are defined leaves me thinking that I'm missing something.

Rake Attributed is the difference between your net winnings and what your winnings would be without rake.

Rake Contributed is how much of the rake that has been taken from pots is apportioned to you by the poker site. This would be the basis of a rakeback deal if you had one or poker site loyalty programs based on points per $ raked.

Rake Share isn't really applicable anymore as most poker sites use the contributed rake method to apportion rake. Each site you play on should detail which method they use.

Rake Taken is how much the poker site rakes in total. In other words it's attributed rake but for all players.